Change item name "Get Info"

[humdinger]

Revision is hrev28069.

Since you can change the default application and permissions of a file in the Get Info panel, the name isn't really adequate.

I propose "Properties". Can we keep the short-cut ALT+I ? I dunno...

[axeld]

IIRC Mac OS X has the same problem. Maybe we could just remove the "Get" to be able to keep the shortcut.

[humdinger]

Good call!

[aldeck]

Replying to humdinger:

I couldn't ever get used to "Get Info", i'm always loosing a few seconds looking a the bottom of the menu for a "Properties" item :) Dunno, maybe i don't actually use Haiku enough yet to get used to it, but it sure feel strange when using several os'es. If too many users are accustomed to the "Get Info"/Alt-I i would at least like to move the item at the bottom of the menu.

[humdinger]

But I'm used to have the Add-Ons at the bottom... :)

I know what you mean, however, I have the same problem. I solved it by simply using the shortcut ALT+I. :)

[axeld]

It's actually a stupid idea to put it at the end of the (relatively long) menu, as this makes a very long for one of the items you use more often than others.

At least I'm always annoyed on other platforms, and I wouldn't like to see Haiku copying bad behaviour.

[modeenf]

I'm for removing "Get" but no more now until we have some sort of GUI guidelines and that probably after R1.

[modeenf]

This are the discussion we had and I belive that this can be done after R1. Unscheduled was things to do after R1 yes? ​http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Should-these-be-implemented

[waddlesplash]

Enhancement/cleanup, changes behavior from BeOS => R2.

[Be.AP]

I'm assuming that this idea is for the bin, correct? Why is everyone so eager to drop BeOS-like features. Why are we trying to be like Windows exactly? Get Info works just fine. If you don't like it, then you should use Windows or something else instead. Stop trying to make Haiku less like Haiku and more like what you think it should be.

[humdinger]

We're not dropping features, we were talking about renaming - 15 years ago...

But thanks for the reminder. This ticket is still valid: This feature does not "Get info", it offers to "show and set certain properties" of a file, i.e. the default app and file permissions. Maybe in the future also edit the attributes in the 3rd tab - that one being a new feature BeOS didn't have.

I still think renaming it to "Info", as proposed by Axel, would be a good compromise (though "info" != "properties") and we could retain the totally muscle-memoried shortcut ALT+I.

[Be.AP]

Maybe feature was the wrong word. But Get Info is just fine. I get info, then I set info. The permissions and default app is part of the info you would get. A good compromise would be to leave it the way it is, because as they say, if it ain't broke. And muscle memory is important. Eyeball memory too. I have such difficulty now in post Monterey OS X. System Settings now escapes me. People with Windows 11 they keep redirecting my printer control panel and changing context menus.

Haiku has been pretty great at moving forward, but should avoid losing what it has. And Haiku does best I feel where the other operating systems fail. That would be it's lack of spitting on its users, which Apple and Microsoft have been brutal with lately.

But I won't dwell on that here. A ticket system seems like the wrong place. But when this is re-visited, I hope everyone making decisions (not me) will see the value in keeping the basics of using Haiku the way they are for plenty reasons. We use the alt-key as the modifier, we have BFS, etc.